I Thought this might warrant it's own topic. Please add to the ideas below as you see fit.

SCVIEW

Question:

"Does anyone here think I am wasting my time trying to sell US cards from the UK??"


Answer:


No it is not a waste of time. There are a few dealers here in the US who make a good profit buying US postcards in the UK & Europe and selling them back in the USA.

You are simply cutting out the middleman and , hence; should make a better profit.

As far as what type of US postcards sell best... well ... see below for a brief listing of ideas.

#1) Older cards sell best.

#2) Small towns are MUCH better than cities.

#3) The US market is crazy about Real photograph Postcards. They will get you your best prices.

#4) Many US view collectors collect by topics all 50 of the States.

Library's ; Masonic Temples; Elk's halls ; Court Houses ; Train Stations ; Airports ; trolley cars & Stations, Main street views (Especially dirt streets)

#5) Regionally Western & Southern US postcards get the highest values (Excluding major cities)

#6) Delaware postcards (older) are very hard to find.

#7) Advertising signs add much value to US postcards:

Signs for KEEN KUTTER, MOXIE, Coca Cola, Dr Pepper, VIN FIZ, on a postcard are very desired.

#8) Automobiles where one can see the make of the car are desirable.

#9) Native Americans (Non Tourist type; generally pre 1910) are wanted.

#10) Derogatory anti black postcards in view cards are quite valuable. A Real photo Mob postcard going after a black person easily can command $1000.00 and up.

#11) Early (Pre 1918) Baseball Stadiums & players are HIGHLY desired. Black Baseball cards can got upward of $10,000 USD.

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Below is an article I wrote that may help you
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Why are real photograph postcards so pricey and so hard to find? This quick guide below will attempt to explain both questions and provide a prices realized overview of the Real Photograph postcard (RPPC) here in the US.

Postcard collecting is the third largest collectible hobby in the USA. Since the 1980s this "new" hobby increasingly garners a rapidly growing field of passionate & informed collectors. At the top tier of the hobby is a format known as the RPPC.

If a picture speaks a thousand words, then a photographic image conveys endless essays on what we as Americans are, where we came from and what we have the potential to become. The turn-of-the-century RPPC documented the transformation of an agrarian society with the advent of the automobile, the telephone, the airplane and an endless stream of modern inventions and resulting changes to American life.


Example: If while searching in a family trunk, one found an RPPC of a woman holding a banner reading "Woman Voters!" while she was riding a Harley Davidson motorbike up the gangplank of the Titanic in Ireland, one could easily surmise a sense of value to such an image. If that image were proved to be one-of-a-kind, or at least at most one of a few hundred, the value rises even more. Since this mythical image also incorporates 3 high demand collecting areas (Woman's rights, early motorcycles, & the Titanic), 3 aggressively active collecting groups would want to own it. It is these types of factors that drive the value of RPPCs.

RPPCs are valued by the 1) AGE of the image, 2) the CONTENT in the image, 2) the RARITY of the image and 4) the DEMAND for the image.

1) AGE. RPPCs can be dated by both their front and backsides. Comparing the two to one another determines the age of the image. A helicopter in an image dated 1903 would be an obvious fake, but knowing when hoop skirts were in vogue would date a street scene to within 10 years. Cars, buildings, attire, advertising signs and city backgrounds all give clues to the date of an image.

On the backside of a postcard, one will find marks made in the stamp corner by the maker of the photograph paper. A short listing of marks and their dates of use are available in ebay at Link (http)

Study the image, study the usage, and study the format of the postcard to date it properly.

If the Titanic image we found had a KODAK stamp box, it would have been a 1950s reproduction of an early image. If the stamp box had a CYKO stamp box, the image would be off to an auction, quite possibly achieving $1000s. Knowing how to compare the front to the back of an RPPC is crucial to determining its value.

2) CONTENT. Unidentified images where the location is not known have far less value than identified images.

Look closely at an image and look for interesting items such as advertising signs (FORD, Moxie, Coca-Cola, KEEN KUTTER, Gold Dust Twins.); early transportation (steam-driven cars, trolleys, biplanes, rigid balloons); ethnic groups (Black Americans, Shakers, Native Americans, Jewish Americans, Gypsies, Immigrants); famous people; or social history events in progress.

In general the smaller the town or location an image comes from, the more valuable it is. If you recognize the place in an image as a tourist spot, the value diminishes greatly. For the value of RPPCs, smaller is better.

3) RARITY. Think Pre-WWI. Earlier images were made far less in the RPPC format.

A new trend in RPPC collecting is the rise of photographic art by individual photographer. Clear and sharp examples by early photographers command their own following and generate higher values in auctions.

Condition is a major part of rarity. Well cared for images are much harder to find than well "viewed" images. A superb non-damaged image has the greatest value potential.

4) DEMAND. RPPCs are the most in demand of all types of postcards for collectors & historical societies.

Pricing Guide List for RPPCs

So just what do Real Photograph postcards go for? How much are they worth? The following price list is but a sampling of values and prices realized in the last few years.

All price ranges below reflect images where clarity and sharpness are superb, the overall condition of the RPPC is EXCELLENT ­ NEAR MINT and the image dates to pre-1940. It is also assumed that the physical location of the card is verfied by writing, postmark or photographer caption on the postcard itself. Images that are blurred or damaged should have their values cut by two-thirds off the lower range value stated below. For more example adjustments both Positive & Negative to the prices see notes at end of price guide list.

ADVERTISING:

Automobile Identified Make $20-$50
Barbershop interior w/barbers $40-$75
Barbershop interior w/0 barbers $20-$45
Bus stops w/bus $15-$45
Cigar & Tobacco Store Interior $175-$220
Coca Cola Plant Interior $300-$1500
Coca Cola truck $500-$2600
Coca Cola Wagon $1,800-$3,000
Gas stations $50-165
General Store Interior $75-$125
General Store Exterior $45-$90
Grocery Store Exterior $75-$100
Hearse Wagon $200-$300
Ice Cream Stands $150-$300
Ice Wagon $125-$200
Kodak Girls $75-$100
Medicine Remedies Wagon (Watkins) $100-$400
Medicine Remedies Wagon (other Co.) $200-$800
Milk Wagon (Bordan)$100-$150
Milk Wagon (other)$150-$250
Oil Delivery Wagon $100-$150
Telephone Company Wagon $225-$300
Trucks- Identified make $30-$60
Trucks- Delivery w/advertsing $50-$150
Trucks- Service(Mail/Fire/Dump) $65-$200
Wells Fargo Wagon $150-$250


ETHNIC:

Black Baseball regional $1200-$1500
Black Doctor $100-$200
Black Baseball Negro League Pro $4,500-$25,000
Black Band Jazz $100-$250
Black Band Circus $100-$250
Black Band Minstrel $100-$125
Black Face Minstrel $40-$65
Black Chain Gangs $700-$2200
Black Lynching (No ID)$2000-$5500
Black Lynching (with ID)$4000-$11,000
Black dead remains(Mob action) $2200
Gypsy $30-$80

PEOPLE & OCCUPATIONAL:

Billboard Hangers $50-$75
Blacksmith w/anvil $100-$175
Cobbler $75-$125
Dairy $75-$200
Dentist $90-$150
Fire men horse drawn $125-$175
Firemen Truck $150-$200
Geronimo $50-$125
Ice Delivery Men $150-$350
Logging Crew $35-$65
Masseur $80-$125
Quilting Bees $400-$500
Salesman portrait w/product $100-$150
Teddy Roosevelt $40-$65

SOCIAL HISTORY:

Drug abuse related $200-$250
Racist anti black $450-$1,250
Evangelist $200-$250
Segregated Buildings $90-$330
Flu Epidemic $250-$350
Socialist Party Wagon NYC $2,500-$3,600
Labor Leader Eugene Debs $1000-$2000
Strike related $150-$300
Patriotic US Flag Dress $300-$400
Suffragette Speaker USA $100-$130
Prohibition Party Candidate $250-$300
Sweat shop work scene $40-$80
Klux Klux Klan $200-$1500
Third party political $200-$350
Man-Woman sideshow $200-$300
Uncle Sam $50-$150

SPORTS:

Baseball Team Pro $900-$2,000
Boxing-Professional $50-125
Baseball Stadium Pro $125-$300
Boxing-Professional, Black $200-$350
Baseball Stadium Regional $30-$75
Female Basketball Team $35-$55
Baseball Regional $90-$150

TOPICAL:

Covered Bridges $8-$12
Post Offices $4-$8
Dams $4-$6
Schools $12-$25
Disasters $8-$20
Schools Exterior $7-$20.00
Schools Interior $15-$50
Factories $12-$35
Skylines Cities $12-$25
Ferries $20-$45
Stadiums Football $12-$25
Stadiums Baseball $50-$500
Lighthouses $35-$100
Main Streets $25-$45
Theaters $15-$35
Lighthouses $15-$100
Lightships $125-$200

TRANSPORTATION: (larger images command higher values)

Air Planes Air shows $50-$125
Air Planes Commercial Pre-1920 $200-$400
Air Ships/Dirigibles $125-$175
Automobiles $20-$25
Bicycles $20-$30
Balloons Ascensions $125-$200
Farm Tractor $35-$45
Female Aviator $200-$500
Train Wrecks $20-$45
Trolley $25-$30
Trucks $25-$35
Truck-Delivery w/ads $60-$125


NOTES ON PRICING:

All pre-1940 images and all at identified locations price range EX-N Abbreviations:
D&H (dirt street w/horses). Unidentified images command two-thirds less in value. Small or blurred images command 2/3rds less in value.

+&- Price adjusting factors to items on list above.

ADD $$$$$

D&H add $25
Southern add $30
Trolley add $10
Advertising sign add $10
Storefront add $10
Ethnic add $25
Political add $35
Private Mailing Card Back cira 1898 add 100%
Horse & car together in view add $10
Known collectible photographer add $30
Occupational in view add $10

SUBTRACT $$$$$

Small Image subtract 66%
Blurred Image subtract 66%
Parade subtract $10
Flood subtract $10
Fire subtract $10
No readable signs subtract $10
Northern State View subtract $5

I Thought this might warrant it's own topic. Please add to the ideas below as you see fit.

SCVIEW

Question:

"Does anyone here think I am wasting my time trying to sell US cards from the UK??"


Answer:


No it is not a waste of time. There are a few dealers here in the US who make a good profit buying US postcards in the UK & Europe and selling them back in the USA.

You are simply cutting out the middleman and , hence; should make a better profit.

As far as what type of US postcards sell best... well ... see below for a brief listing of ideas.

#1) Older cards sell best.

#2) Small towns are MUCH better than cities.

#3) The US market is crazy about Real photograph Postcards. They will get you your best prices.

#4) Many US view collectors collect by topics all 50 of the States.

Library's ; Masonic Temples; Elk's halls ; Court Houses ; Train Stations ; Airports ; trolley cars & Stations, Main street views (Especially dirt streets)

#5) Regionally Western & Southern US postcards get the highest values (Excluding major cities)

#6) Delaware postcards (older) are very hard to find.

#7) Advertising signs add much value to US postcards:

Signs for KEEN KUTTER, MOXIE, Coca Cola, Dr Pepper, VIN FIZ, on a postcard are very desired.

#8) Automobiles where one can see the make of the car are desirable.

#9) Native Americans (Non Tourist type; generally pre 1910) are wanted.

#10) Derogatory anti black postcards in view cards are quite valuable. A Real photo Mob postcard going after a black person easily can command $1000.00 and up.

#11) Early (Pre 1918) Baseball Stadiums & players are HIGHLY desired. Black Baseball cards can got upward of $10,000 USD.

####################################################
Below is an article I wrote that may help you
####################################################
Why are real photograph postcards so pricey and so hard to find? This quick guide below will attempt to explain both questions and provide a prices realized overview of the Real Photograph postcard (RPPC) here in the US.

Postcard collecting is the third largest collectible hobby in the USA. Since the 1980s this "new" hobby increasingly garners a rapidly growing field of passionate & informed collectors. At the top tier of the hobby is a format known as the RPPC.

If a picture speaks a thousand words, then a photographic image conveys endless essays on what we as Americans are, where we came from and what we have the potential to become. The turn-of-the-century RPPC documented the transformation of an agrarian society with the advent of the automobile, the telephone, the airplane and an endless stream of modern inventions and resulting changes to American life.


Example: If while searching in a family trunk, one found an RPPC of a woman holding a banner reading "Woman Voters!" while she was riding a Harley Davidson motorbike up the gangplank of the Titanic in Ireland, one could easily surmise a sense of value to such an image. If that image were proved to be one-of-a-kind, or at least at most one of a few hundred, the value rises even more. Since this mythical image also incorporates 3 high demand collecting areas (Woman's rights, early motorcycles, & the Titanic), 3 aggressively active collecting groups would want to own it. It is these types of factors that drive the value of RPPCs.

RPPCs are valued by the 1) AGE of the image, 2) the CONTENT in the image, 2) the RARITY of the image and 4) the DEMAND for the image.

1) AGE. RPPCs can be dated by both their front and backsides. Comparing the two to one another determines the age of the image. A helicopter in an image dated 1903 would be an obvious fake, but knowing when hoop skirts were in vogue would date a street scene to within 10 years. Cars, buildings, attire, advertising signs and city backgrounds all give clues to the date of an image.

On the backside of a postcard, one will find marks made in the stamp corner by the maker of the photograph paper. A short listing of marks and their dates of use are available in ebay at Link (http)

Study the image, study the usage, and study the format of the postcard to date it properly.

If the Titanic image we found had a KODAK stamp box, it would have been a 1950s reproduction of an early image. If the stamp box had a CYKO stamp box, the image would be off to an auction, quite possibly achieving $1000s. Knowing how to compare the front to the back of an RPPC is crucial to determining its value.

2) CONTENT. Unidentified images where the location is not known have far less value than identified images.

Look closely at an image and look for interesting items such as advertising signs (FORD, Moxie, Coca-Cola, KEEN KUTTER, Gold Dust Twins.); early transportation (steam-driven cars, trolleys, biplanes, rigid balloons); ethnic groups (Black Americans, Shakers, Native Americans, Jewish Americans, Gypsies, Immigrants); famous people; or social history events in progress.

In general the smaller the town or location an image comes from, the more valuable it is. If you recognize the place in an image as a tourist spot, the value diminishes greatly. For the value of RPPCs, smaller is better.

3) RARITY. Think Pre-WWI. Earlier images were made far less in the RPPC format.

A new trend in RPPC collecting is the rise of photographic art by individual photographer. Clear and sharp examples by early photographers command their own following and generate higher values in auctions.

Condition is a major part of rarity. Well cared for images are much harder to find than well "viewed" images. A superb non-damaged image has the greatest value potential.

4) DEMAND. RPPCs are the most in demand of all types of postcards for collectors & historical societies.

Pricing Guide List for RPPCs

So just what do Real Photograph postcards go for? How much are they worth? The following price list is but a sampling of values and prices realized in the last few years.

All price ranges below reflect images where clarity and sharpness are superb, the overall condition of the RPPC is EXCELLENT ­ NEAR MINT and the image dates to pre-1940. It is also assumed that the physical location of the card is verfied by writing, postmark or photographer caption on the postcard itself. Images that are blurred or damaged should have their values cut by two-thirds off the lower range value stated below. For more example adjustments both Positive & Negative to the prices see notes at end of price guide list.

ADVERTISING:

Automobile Identified Make $20-$50
Barbershop interior w/barbers $40-$75
Barbershop interior w/0 barbers $20-$45
Bus stops w/bus $15-$45
Cigar & Tobacco Store Interior $175-$220
Coca Cola Plant Interior $300-$1500
Coca Cola truck $500-$2600
Coca Cola Wagon $1,800-$3,000
Gas stations $50-165
General Store Interior $75-$125
General Store Exterior $45-$90
Grocery Store Exterior $75-$100
Hearse Wagon $200-$300
Ice Cream Stands $150-$300
Ice Wagon $125-$200
Kodak Girls $75-$100
Medicine Remedies Wagon (Watkins) $100-$400
Medicine Remedies Wagon (other Co.) $200-$800
Milk Wagon (Bordan)$100-$150
Milk Wagon (other)$150-$250
Oil Delivery Wagon $100-$150
Telephone Company Wagon $225-$300
Trucks- Identified make $30-$60
Trucks- Delivery w/advertsing $50-$150
Trucks- Service(Mail/Fire/Dump) $65-$200
Wells Fargo Wagon $150-$250


ETHNIC:

Black Baseball regional $1200-$1500
Black Doctor $100-$200
Black Baseball Negro League Pro $4,500-$25,000
Black Band Jazz $100-$250
Black Band Circus $100-$250
Black Band Minstrel $100-$125
Black Face Minstrel $40-$65
Black Chain Gangs $700-$2200
Black Lynching (No ID)$2000-$5500
Black Lynching (with ID)$4000-$11,000
Black dead remains(Mob action) $2200
Gypsy $30-$80

PEOPLE & OCCUPATIONAL:

Billboard Hangers $50-$75
Blacksmith w/anvil $100-$175
Cobbler $75-$125
Dairy $75-$200
Dentist $90-$150
Fire men horse drawn $125-$175
Firemen Truck $150-$200
Geronimo $50-$125
Ice Delivery Men $150-$350
Logging Crew $35-$65
Masseur $80-$125
Quilting Bees $400-$500
Salesman portrait w/product $100-$150
Teddy Roosevelt $40-$65

SOCIAL HISTORY:

Drug abuse related $200-$250
Racist anti black $450-$1,250
Evangelist $200-$250
Segregated Buildings $90-$330
Flu Epidemic $250-$350
Socialist Party Wagon NYC $2,500-$3,600
Labor Leader Eugene Debs $1000-$2000
Strike related $150-$300
Patriotic US Flag Dress $300-$400
Suffragette Speaker USA $100-$130
Prohibition Party Candidate $250-$300
Sweat shop work scene $40-$80
Klux Klux Klan $200-$1500
Third party political $200-$350
Man-Woman sideshow $200-$300
Uncle Sam $50-$150

SPORTS:

Baseball Team Pro $900-$2,000
Boxing-Professional $50-125
Baseball Stadium Pro $125-$300
Boxing-Professional, Black $200-$350
Baseball Stadium Regional $30-$75
Female Basketball Team $35-$55
Baseball Regional $90-$150

TOPICAL:

Covered Bridges $8-$12
Post Offices $4-$8
Dams $4-$6
Schools $12-$25
Disasters $8-$20
Schools Exterior $7-$20.00
Schools Interior $15-$50
Factories $12-$35
Skylines Cities $12-$25
Ferries $20-$45
Stadiums Football $12-$25
Stadiums Baseball $50-$500
Lighthouses $35-$100
Main Streets $25-$45
Theaters $15-$35
Lighthouses $15-$100
Lightships $125-$200

TRANSPORTATION: (larger images command higher values)

Air Planes Air shows $50-$125
Air Planes Commercial Pre-1920 $200-$400
Air Ships/Dirigibles $125-$175
Automobiles $20-$25
Bicycles $20-$30
Balloons Ascensions $125-$200
Farm Tractor $35-$45
Female Aviator $200-$500
Train Wrecks $20-$45
Trolley $25-$30
Trucks $25-$35
Truck-Delivery w/ads $60-$125


NOTES ON PRICING:

All pre-1940 images and all at identified locations price range EX-N Abbreviations:
D&H (dirt street w/horses). Unidentified images command two-thirds less in value. Small or blurred images command 2/3rds less in value.

+&- Price adjusting factors to items on list above.

ADD $$$$$

D&H add $25
Southern add $30
Trolley add $10
Advertising sign add $10
Storefront add $10
Ethnic add $25
Political add $35
Private Mailing Card Back cira 1898 add 100%
Horse & car together in view add $10
Known collectible photographer add $30
Occupational in view add $10

SUBTRACT $$$$$

Small Image subtract 66%
Blurred Image subtract 66%
Parade subtract $10
Flood subtract $10
Fire subtract $10
No readable signs subtract $10
Northern State View subtract $5

Hi Scview.
Wow, what a Great post! Delcampe should hire you as the "postcard professor"! At the very least, all of that great information should Somehow be made available to everyone who ever wanted to list a postcard. Actually, I saw your post of this info somewhere else in the postcard forum the other day, and remember being amazed and elated at the amount of great information. Something that even this simple country girl could understand! What DOES make me twich a bit, is the referrence to "Volume", which, by the way, I agree with, but doesn't make it any easier. I have only about 600 (although all great cards) , but find that I can't possibly list more than 20-25 in one day. That means it would take me 3 to 4 weeks of every day listing just to get them on. By the time I was finished, the first lot will have relisted itself for the 3rd time! How do you DO it? You have THOUSANDS!
Also...Many of mine are Japanese 1890-1915, and are IN Japanese, so I havn't a clue as to HOW to list them. Pretty Japanese lady? Great view of Mt Fuji? Famous Japanese Generals? Here is a question i hope you can answer for ME. Around half are postally cancelled with sone nice stamps, and the used are all in Beautiful Japanese writing ( calligraphy ). Do I concentrate on the style and age, the postal cancel, or the beautiful calligraphy? Can I post, or send you a couple examples? Any and ALL help would be greatly appreciated. The LAST problem is how to Price such cards? OOPS. Sorry to all about this long and rambling post. Have a GREAT NEW YEAR!

Hi Scview.
Wow, what a Great post! Delcampe should hire you as the "postcard professor"! At the very least, all of that great information should Somehow be made available to everyone who ever wanted to list a postcard. Actually, I saw your post of this info somewhere else in the postcard forum the other day, and remember being amazed and elated at the amount of great information. Something that even this simple country girl could understand! What DOES make me twich a bit, is the referrence to "Volume", which, by the way, I agree with, but doesn't make it any easier. I have only about 600 (although all great cards) , but find that I can't possibly list more than 20-25 in one day. That means it would take me 3 to 4 weeks of every day listing just to get them on. By the time I was finished, the first lot will have relisted itself for the 3rd time! How do you DO it? You have THOUSANDS!
Also...Many of mine are Japanese 1890-1915, and are IN Japanese, so I havn't a clue as to HOW to list them. Pretty Japanese lady? Great view of Mt Fuji? Famous Japanese Generals? Here is a question i hope you can answer for ME. Around half are postally cancelled with sone nice stamps, and the used are all in Beautiful Japanese writing ( calligraphy ). Do I concentrate on the style and age, the postal cancel, or the beautiful calligraphy? Can I post, or send you a couple examples? Any and ALL help would be greatly appreciated. The LAST problem is how to Price such cards? OOPS. Sorry to all about this long and rambling post. Have a GREAT NEW YEAR!

hi maria,
you might find japanese cards to do very well on delcampe. but what does very good are french indochina if you have some of those. or any early french colonial postcards. but the early japanese cards should sell without problems. many of the french collectors like the oriental topics. so give it a try. you certainly have nothing to lose.

regards,
cajunsr.

Not wishing to sound rude this topic was supposed to be about listing US cards not Japanese but I am sure you still may get a reply...

Maybe you would have been better to start a new topic altogether?

I was hoping to get a reply about the mainstream US cards not Japanese...

Still at least a reply!!!

PCS

When I search for a US view--Washington State for me--I do it through the US site but always check all of the international and individual sites which get listed in my search, too.

So, listing on the UK site shouldn't make people miss US cards if they're looking broadly enough. I happen to sell many Canadian cards, for example, on the US site and don't believe I'll be switching to Delcampe's new Canadian site to list them.

OK thanks I seem to have many Florida state/NH, NY, PA and Washington DC so I hope people will take a look.

Many thanks PCS

OK thanks I seem to have many Florida state/NH, NY, PA and Washington DC so I hope people will take a look.

Many thanks PCS

Hi Scview.
Wow, what a Great post! Delcampe should hire you as the "postcard professor"! At the very least, all of that great information should Somehow be made available to everyone who ever wanted to list a postcard. Actually, I saw your post of this info somewhere else in the postcard forum the other day, and remember being amazed and elated at the amount of great information. Something that even this simple country girl could understand! What DOES make me twich a bit, is the referrence to "Volume", which, by the way, I agree with, but doesn't make it any easier. I have only about 600 (although all great cards) , but find that I can't possibly list more than 20-25 in one day. That means it would take me 3 to 4 weeks of every day listing just to get them on. By the time I was finished, the first lot will have relisted itself for the 3rd time! How do you DO it? You have THOUSANDS!
Also...Many of mine are Japanese 1890-1915, and are IN Japanese, so I havn't a clue as to HOW to list them. Pretty Japanese lady? Great view of Mt Fuji? Famous Japanese Generals? Here is a question i hope you can answer for ME. Around half are postally cancelled with sone nice stamps, and the used are all in Beautiful Japanese writing ( calligraphy ). Do I concentrate on the style and age, the postal cancel, or the beautiful calligraphy? Can I post, or send you a couple examples? Any and ALL help would be greatly appreciated. The LAST problem is how to Price such cards? OOPS. Sorry to all about this long and rambling post. Have a GREAT NEW YEAR!